Claimant v TSB Bank plc
Outcome
Individual claims
The tribunal found that Ms Hadden's question ('is it because Ben is male and I'm female?') was asked in the context of trying to understand why the claimant said 'I don't want you here, I want Ben here.' The tribunal concluded Ms Hadden would have asked the same questions of a male comparator in the same circumstances, and the claimant's sex was no part of the reason for the treatment.
The tribunal found that Ms Hadden did not use the words alleged by the claimant. Ms Hadden asked 'Is it because you're from a similar culture?' but did not say 'because he is Asian'. The tribunal found Ms Hadden would have asked a white British comparator similar questions to understand the claimant's preference for her previous supervisor, and that the claimant's race was no part of the reason for Ms Hadden's questions.
The tribunal found the conduct was not unwanted given the claimant's previous open discussions with Ms Hadden about her culture and personal matters. The tribunal also found the claimant did not object at the time and took several weeks to raise the matter. Objectively, it was not reasonable for the conduct to have the proscribed effect. The conduct did not relate to sex.
The tribunal found the alleged conduct (shouting in front of customers, angry exchanges, blaming the claimant) was not made out on the facts. Where conduct did occur (e.g. coaching in the moment), the tribunal found it did not have the proscribed effect and did not relate to race. The claimant's failure to raise concerns at the time and equivocal later statements undermined her case.
Facts
The claimant, a Money Confident Expert at TSB Bank, claimed race and sex discrimination by her new supervisor Mandy Hadden. The claimant alleged Hadden asked her offensive questions about whether she was comfortable working with her previous Asian supervisor and with male managers, shouted at her in front of customers, and blamed her for work errors. The incidents occurred between January and February 2024. The claimant had a good prior working relationship with Hadden and had openly discussed cultural and personal matters with her. The claimant was off sick from 19 February 2024 and raised concerns initially through the union, then formal grievance processes.
Decision
The tribunal dismissed all claims. The tribunal found that Hadden did not use the words the claimant alleged, and that her actual questions were asked in the context of trying to understand why the claimant had said 'I don't want you here, I want Ben here' at the start of a one-to-one meeting. The tribunal found Hadden would have asked similar questions of any comparator in the same circumstances. The tribunal also found that the alleged shouting incidents were not made out; what occurred was 'coaching in the moment' delivered in Hadden's characteristically patronising manner, which she used with all staff regardless of sex or race.
Practical note
Context matters enormously in discrimination cases: questions about culture or protected characteristics may not be discriminatory if asked genuinely to understand an employee's expressed preferences, particularly where there is a history of open discussion about such matters between the parties.
Legal authorities cited
Statutes
Case details
- Case number
- 8000646/2024
- Decision date
- 6 February 2025
- Hearing type
- full merits
- Hearing days
- 3
- Classification
- contested
Respondent
- Name
- TSB Bank plc
- Sector
- financial services
- Represented
- Yes
- Rep type
- barrister
Employment details
- Role
- Money Confident Expert (MCE)
Claimant representation
- Represented
- No